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		<title>Comment on Rosebud, Texas Police Officer Fired Amidst Local Sign Controversy by Felesha Patzke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felesha Patzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I know first hand about the speed trap. As I was leaving Rosebud on highway 53, I had just reached the speed of 70. I had already seen the posted speed of 70 up ahead of me just a little ways. Not that far at all. So like everyone else I picked up my speed. Little did I know that right across and a little past that sign, was a Rosebud police officer sitting directly behind the sign that I could not see, because it was over a small downward incline. I have to go pay this ticket. But it should be against the law and someone should do something about this. I am upset because I feel like a victim and I have a CDL. This will go against my license. The officer was rude and it was just one more case where the law proved me right in my belief that they are bullies with a badge and a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I know first hand about the speed trap. As I was leaving Rosebud on highway 53, I had just reached the speed of 70. I had already seen the posted speed of 70 up ahead of me just a little ways. Not that far at all. So like everyone else I picked up my speed. Little did I know that right across and a little past that sign, was a Rosebud police officer sitting directly behind the sign that I could not see, because it was over a small downward incline. I have to go pay this ticket. But it should be against the law and someone should do something about this. I am upset because I feel like a victim and I have a CDL. This will go against my license. The officer was rude and it was just one more case where the law proved me right in my belief that they are bullies with a badge and a gun.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Airport &amp; Romulus, MI Police Disagree On Patrols by robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i work in romulus and witness this crime on a daily basis. it is nothing more or less than rackoteering. the best thing to do is watch your speed when traveling through that dump especially on eureka road near the airport or 275 near eureka rd. if you do happen to get a ticket just pay for it. they would love nothing more than for you to fight it so they can drop the ticket to &quot;impeeding traffic no points&quot;..their favorite way to get more money out of you. your $140 ticket just went to $175 or more in trade for no points. they could care less about your driving record. thay just want the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i work in romulus and witness this crime on a daily basis. it is nothing more or less than rackoteering. the best thing to do is watch your speed when traveling through that dump especially on eureka road near the airport or 275 near eureka rd. if you do happen to get a ticket just pay for it. they would love nothing more than for you to fight it so they can drop the ticket to &#8220;impeeding traffic no points&#8221;..their favorite way to get more money out of you. your $140 ticket just went to $175 or more in trade for no points. they could care less about your driving record. thay just want the money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Driver, 64, who flashed headlights to warn fellow motorists of speed trap hauled to court and fined for &#8216;obstructing police&#8217; by Bobby F Dowd</title>
		<link>http://speedtrapahead.org/wordpress/2011/01/06/driver-64-who-flashed-headlights-to-warn-fellow-motorists-of-speed-trap-hauled-to-court-and-fined-for-obstructing-police/comment-page-1/#comment-5631</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby F Dowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firing a gun in the air is a false analogy.  It is not free speech.  Nor is a water baloon...  Flashing a light for communicative purposes IS free speech.  Douchbag Cop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firing a gun in the air is a false analogy.  It is not free speech.  Nor is a water baloon&#8230;  Flashing a light for communicative purposes IS free speech.  Douchbag Cop!</p>
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		<title>Comment on All Matters of Mitchell vs. City of Lakeway, et. al. have been resolved by Raul Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://speedtrapahead.org/wordpress/2010/12/21/all-matters-of-mitchell-vs-city-of-lakeway-et-al-have-been-resolved/comment-page-1/#comment-5615</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 05:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post Script to that story: Officer James DeBrow is now Chief of Police here in Del Rio, TX. . .and he&#039;s at it again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post Script to that story: Officer James DeBrow is now Chief of Police here in Del Rio, TX. . .and he&#8217;s at it again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on All Matters of Mitchell vs. City of Lakeway, et. al. have been resolved by Just How Controlling Is Lakeway? - Page 3 - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just How Controlling Is Lakeway? - Page 3 - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How and Why It All Came To This by CptnRn</title>
		<link>http://speedtrapahead.org/wordpress/2011/01/05/how-and-why-it-all-came-to-this/comment-page-1/#comment-5492</link>
		<dc:creator>CptnRn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a map based speed trap and red light camera warning website here http://www.trapster.com/speed-traps/  that you can post warnings on.  It has a free smart phone APP available that works with it to warn you when you are approaching a known speed trap area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a map based speed trap and red light camera warning website here <a target="_blank" href="http://www.trapster.com/speed-traps/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.trapster.com/speed-traps/</a>  that you can post warnings on.  It has a free smart phone APP available that works with it to warn you when you are approaching a known speed trap area.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I GOT A TRAFFIC TICKET from Austin PD!!! by Rebounder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebounder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have purchased a In-Car Video Camera which I use daily to document my travels and in case I have the need for PROOF. 

I tried to fight a wrongful ticket and the Court Clerk said that even if i won, i would have to pay court costs that were over $400, way more than the ticket, so that I should just go ahead and admit to the ticket and pay it. What choice do I have? I had to pay it. This is entirely wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have purchased a In-Car Video Camera which I use daily to document my travels and in case I have the need for PROOF. </p>
<p>I tried to fight a wrongful ticket and the Court Clerk said that even if i won, i would have to pay court costs that were over $400, way more than the ticket, so that I should just go ahead and admit to the ticket and pay it. What choice do I have? I had to pay it. This is entirely wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How and Why It All Came To This by Jeff Nettleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nettleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you thought about creating a part of your site like http://www.gasbuddy.com/?  Allowing registered users to post traps.  This will allow start phone users to track where the latest traps are.  I understand this is just an idea, but it will DEFINATELY help people out and drive more traffic to your site.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you thought about creating a part of your site like <a target="_blank" href="http://www.gasbuddy.com/?"  rel="nofollow">http://www.gasbuddy.com/?</a>  Allowing registered users to post traps.  This will allow start phone users to track where the latest traps are.  I understand this is just an idea, but it will DEFINATELY help people out and drive more traffic to your site.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Us by ZJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never got any speeding ticket in my life till 2 years ago at age 25 in a speed trap, right after moving into a new town.  Then I recieved another and another.  I also had no criminal history and very active in the community.  But suddenly I was being hastled.  I got my car searched a few times, nothing found, threatend I would be cuaght with something eventually, warned not to come back or I&#039;ll be pulled over again.  I didn&#039;t know what to do, I did make a complaint once to my hometown police and they said they would tell the police department I was a good guy and to be easy on me.  But then I made a huge mistake, as I was getting pulled over again for speeding, I fled and eventually got caught and now facing Felony charges.  I&#039;m not a criminal, I was just so tired of being hastled and now my life is ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never got any speeding ticket in my life till 2 years ago at age 25 in a speed trap, right after moving into a new town.  Then I recieved another and another.  I also had no criminal history and very active in the community.  But suddenly I was being hastled.  I got my car searched a few times, nothing found, threatend I would be cuaght with something eventually, warned not to come back or I&#8217;ll be pulled over again.  I didn&#8217;t know what to do, I did make a complaint once to my hometown police and they said they would tell the police department I was a good guy and to be easy on me.  But then I made a huge mistake, as I was getting pulled over again for speeding, I fled and eventually got caught and now facing Felony charges.  I&#8217;m not a criminal, I was just so tired of being hastled and now my life is ruined.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rosebud, Texas Police Officer Fired Amidst Local Sign Controversy by erkme73</title>
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		<dc:creator>erkme73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar run in with the Florida Highway Patrol.  Flashing my lights at oncoming motorists is something I&#039;ve always done.  Back in December of 2009, I was stopped and issued a citation for having &quot;prohibited flashing lights&quot; on my car.  I sued the state, and just last month, the FL legislature amended the statute to make it absolutely clear that the types of &quot;prohibited flashing lights&quot; referenced DO NOT INCLUDE HEADLIGHTS that are turned on/off or high/low.  

This made national news when the suit was originally filed.  I just found it incredibly interesting how in 2005 a Seminole County judge ruled that LEO cannot use this particular statute (316.2397) to cite motorists.  Yet, despite that, over 2400 tickets were issued since then. And what&#039;s even worse, the city (Oviedo, FL) that originally issued the 2005 ticket, continued to write tickets.   


After suing the state of Florida on the grounds that the stop was illegal, the FHP issued a permanent policy change forbidding the practice of ticketing motorists who warn others using their headlights. Last month, the FL legislature codified it by amending the statute used to cite me. The change makes it expressly PERMITTED to flash (low/high/low beams, or on/off) head lights to communicate with other motorists. The irony is, it was never illegal to communicate like this in the first place. How sad is it that the legislators have to pass a law to tell the police to obey the law?

Right is right - and all those trying to make excuses as to why the &quot;right&quot; of the police to enforce &quot;justice&quot; is more important than upholding our constitutional right to speak freely (even if the content isn&#039;t what the po-po wants to hear) need to come to terms with that. 

I now make it a point to start flashing my headlights well BEFORE I pass the radar patrol so they see me coming and going. 

Incidentally, another similar case tried last month in Seminole County had a judge take the unusual step of referencing the unconstitutionality of these stops as he dismissed the case against Ryan Kitner. That didn&#039;t stop an Oviedo Lieutenant spokesman from saying, on TV no less, that they don&#039;t care what the judge says, because as they read the law, they will continue to ticket motorists who flash their lights. Such a blatant disrespect of the legal system by those charged to enforce it is precisely why I sued.

From this news report (http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/211886/8/A-class-action-suit-hasnt-stopped-some-police-agencies-from-ticketing-drivers-who-flash-their-lights):

[quote]
And while the Florida Highway Patrol has suspended the practice, because of the lawsuit or because it might not feel as if it is on firm ground, that&#039;s not true in every police agency. For example, in Oviedo in Seminole county where one of the first flashing light tickets was thrown out of court police officers are still allowed to write tickets for people who flash their lights.

Oviedo Police Lt. Beavers says, &quot;We enforce the state statue which clearly says those lights are clearly prohibited.&quot;

Beavers says, &quot;Officers who observe people with flashing lights, other than what was stated in the statute, pull motorists over and through their discretion they either educate the motorist about the violation or they issue a citation.&quot;

However, Jones [my attorney] says it is the Oviedo department and others that write tickets who need to go back to school and get some basic education on the difference between a verb and a noun.[/quote]


By the way, that same spokesman said this about warning others:

[quote
Oviedo Police Lt. Mike Beavers said that&#039;s not the case and that police departments are not inhibiting free speech. 

&quot;If people want to stand on the side of the road with a sign that the police are running radar ahead, they have every right to do so.&quot; [/quote]

Isn&#039;t it funny (sad) that the police can twist things so much? Here you have one agency saying the flashing was illegal, but having a sign on the side of the road like the arrested woman in Houston had (http://autos.aol.com/article/woman-arrested-for-warning-drivers-of-speed-trap-with-makeshift/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D174668), is everyones&#039; right to do so. A box of donuts says if I&#039;d tried that in Oviedo (before the whole flashing lights fiasco), the story&#039;d change... No doubt the spokesman would then say, &quot;We&#039;re not inhibiting free speech. If people want to flash their headlights to warn that police are running radar a head, they have every right to do so...&quot; It&#039;s a nasty business, law enforcement. piiss off a cop, and they will find a way to get even. Plain and simple. Nice to see the practice exposed in the public, though.

And finally, a nice little summary... http://tallahasseeo.com/2012/03/10/express-first-amendment-rights-legislature-passes-bill-to-make-flashing-headlights-legal/

Finally, a bit of shameless plug. If you, or anyone you know of has received a ticket in the last year for flashing their lights to warn others (in FL), please email me. eric.fhp (at) tab-md [dot] com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar run in with the Florida Highway Patrol.  Flashing my lights at oncoming motorists is something I&#8217;ve always done.  Back in December of 2009, I was stopped and issued a citation for having &#8220;prohibited flashing lights&#8221; on my car.  I sued the state, and just last month, the FL legislature amended the statute to make it absolutely clear that the types of &#8220;prohibited flashing lights&#8221; referenced DO NOT INCLUDE HEADLIGHTS that are turned on/off or high/low.  </p>
<p>This made national news when the suit was originally filed.  I just found it incredibly interesting how in 2005 a Seminole County judge ruled that LEO cannot use this particular statute (316.2397) to cite motorists.  Yet, despite that, over 2400 tickets were issued since then. And what&#8217;s even worse, the city (Oviedo, FL) that originally issued the 2005 ticket, continued to write tickets.   </p>
<p>After suing the state of Florida on the grounds that the stop was illegal, the FHP issued a permanent policy change forbidding the practice of ticketing motorists who warn others using their headlights. Last month, the FL legislature codified it by amending the statute used to cite me. The change makes it expressly PERMITTED to flash (low/high/low beams, or on/off) head lights to communicate with other motorists. The irony is, it was never illegal to communicate like this in the first place. How sad is it that the legislators have to pass a law to tell the police to obey the law?</p>
<p>Right is right &#8211; and all those trying to make excuses as to why the &#8220;right&#8221; of the police to enforce &#8220;justice&#8221; is more important than upholding our constitutional right to speak freely (even if the content isn&#8217;t what the po-po wants to hear) need to come to terms with that. </p>
<p>I now make it a point to start flashing my headlights well BEFORE I pass the radar patrol so they see me coming and going. </p>
<p>Incidentally, another similar case tried last month in Seminole County had a judge take the unusual step of referencing the unconstitutionality of these stops as he dismissed the case against Ryan Kitner. That didn&#8217;t stop an Oviedo Lieutenant spokesman from saying, on TV no less, that they don&#8217;t care what the judge says, because as they read the law, they will continue to ticket motorists who flash their lights. Such a blatant disrespect of the legal system by those charged to enforce it is precisely why I sued.</p>
<p>From this news report (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/211886/8/A-class-action-suit-hasnt-stopped-some-police-agencies-from-ticketing-drivers-who-flash-their-lights"  rel="nofollow">http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/211886/8/A-class-action-suit-hasnt-stopped-some-police-agencies-from-ticketing-drivers-who-flash-their-lights</a>):</p>
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And while the Florida Highway Patrol has suspended the practice, because of the lawsuit or because it might not feel as if it is on firm ground, that&#8217;s not true in every police agency. For example, in Oviedo in Seminole county where one of the first flashing light tickets was thrown out of court police officers are still allowed to write tickets for people who flash their lights.</p>
<p>Oviedo Police Lt. Beavers says, &#8220;We enforce the state statue which clearly says those lights are clearly prohibited.&#8221;</p>
<p>Beavers says, &#8220;Officers who observe people with flashing lights, other than what was stated in the statute, pull motorists over and through their discretion they either educate the motorist about the violation or they issue a citation.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, Jones [my attorney] says it is the Oviedo department and others that write tickets who need to go back to school and get some basic education on the difference between a verb and a noun.[/quote]</p>
<p>By the way, that same spokesman said this about warning others:</p>
<p>[quote<br />
Oviedo Police Lt. Mike Beavers said that's not the case and that police departments are not inhibiting free speech. </p>
<p>"If people want to stand on the side of the road with a sign that the police are running radar ahead, they have every right to do so." [/quote]</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it funny (sad) that the police can twist things so much? Here you have one agency saying the flashing was illegal, but having a sign on the side of the road like the arrested woman in Houston had (<a target="_blank" href="http://autos.aol.com/article/woman-arrested-for-warning-drivers-of-speed-trap-with-makeshift/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D174668"  rel="nofollow">http://autos.aol.com/article/woman-arrested-for-warning-drivers-of-speed-trap-with-makeshift/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D174668</a>), is everyones&#8217; right to do so. A box of donuts says if I&#8217;d tried that in Oviedo (before the whole flashing lights fiasco), the story&#8217;d change&#8230; No doubt the spokesman would then say, &#8220;We&#8217;re not inhibiting free speech. If people want to flash their headlights to warn that police are running radar a head, they have every right to do so&#8230;&#8221; It&#8217;s a nasty business, law enforcement. piiss off a cop, and they will find a way to get even. Plain and simple. Nice to see the practice exposed in the public, though.</p>
<p>And finally, a nice little summary&#8230; <a target="_blank" href="http://tallahasseeo.com/2012/03/10/express-first-amendment-rights-legislature-passes-bill-to-make-flashing-headlights-legal/"  rel="nofollow">http://tallahasseeo.com/2012/03/10/express-first-amendment-rights-legislature-passes-bill-to-make-flashing-headlights-legal/</a></p>
<p>Finally, a bit of shameless plug. If you, or anyone you know of has received a ticket in the last year for flashing their lights to warn others (in FL), please email me. eric.fhp (at) tab-md [dot] com.</p>
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